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Lord Sojar · Jul 19, 2008, 06:20 PM // 18:20

As to the Vista comments... just lol. Any operating system that has a 15-30GB footprint, uses 1.3GB+ RAM, and decreases performance even on a high end system when compared to a previous version is inferior and worthless.

Pinball, the PS3's Cell Processor is more advanced then anything you can buy for your PC. If I didn't make that point clear, let me say it one more time... The Cell Processor is the world's most advanced and powerful CPU ever built, able to outperform all others. Mmmmk, so on that note, no, you won't get a PC "as powerful" as the PS3. Graphically? Yes, I more than agree, that is easy. Total processing power while still being flexible? Nope.

Diddy bow · Jul 19, 2008, 07:31 PM // 19:31

[QUOTE=Pinball Wizard]Haha, this reminds me of the flame wars people have on forums about which band is better, Megadeth or Metallica. And for this debate and the music one, I ask: Why can't you like both?

I have a 360, but I want a PS3 too. They both have great games, they both have cool online, and they essentially have the same graphics(OMG PS3 IS SLIGHTLY BETTER!!11!11!), I don't care about graphics, at all. Of course I dont want crappy graphics, but anything the next gen consoles can do is fine for me.
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QFT, Both are very good consoles, if the PS3 is "better" graphicly ive never been able to see the diffrence, the only thing that really seperates them are the games, so its entirerly just personnal prefrence.

Arguing about which is better is pretty retarded, the other side is always just far too stubborn to be convinced anyhow

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Lord Sojar · Jul 19, 2008, 07:34 PM // 19:34

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Originally Posted by Diddy bow

QFT, Both are very good consoles, if the PS3 is "better" graphicly ive never been able to see the diffrence, the only thing that really seperates them are the games, so its entirerly just personnal prefrence.

Arguing about which is better is pretty retarded, the other side is always just far too stubborn to be convinced anyhow

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No, I think what I have been trying to say is that if you have a decent PC, why bother with the 360? You have a 360 in front of you and you are typing on guru with it. The 360 is a mediocre PC at best. The PS3 is something you can't have with a PC. So in other words, buy a decent PC, a PS3, and a Wii.

Done.

Winterclaw · Jul 19, 2008, 08:49 PM // 20:49

The only problem with the PC only is you can't play those few 360 exclusives...

Anyways I've been thinking about this a little more and in the long term, this could potentially be good for Sony. In the last generation they had an affordable console that was usually able to get the job done. They were able to ride the PS1 success and take a step forward. However in this generation, they have more of a parody situation with the 360 in large part due to two things: the 360 came out first and was able to get a good selection of titles quick enough and the 360 was a lot cheaper. Another part of Sony's problem was the guy who was in charge of its development (wada???) was a little too egocentric in thinking that people would pay so much more for a console when you have the 360 sitting there and getting most of the games.

Anyways, perhaps this current situation will push Sony to put out a technically superior product that is affordable as well. It will at least cause them to take MS seriously (remember MS did promise they'd be #1 by their 3rd generation xbox).

Oh, and I wouldn't take the fact that PS3s outsold 360s last month as that big of a deal... remember the 360s have been out longer and are cheaper so more people would have them by now.

Diddy bow · Jul 19, 2008, 10:40 PM // 22:40

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

Oh, and I wouldn't take the fact that PS3s outsold 360s last month as that big of a deal... remember the 360s have been out longer and are cheaper so more people would have them by now.

Its down to the MGS realese i rekon.

Kanyatta · Jul 20, 2008, 02:36 AM // 02:36

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

The only problem with the PC only is you can't play those few 360 exclusives...

And all the copy protection software that bogs down most PC games nowadays. (See Bioshock, BF:2142, etc.)

Kanyatta · Jul 20, 2008, 03:11 AM // 03:11

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

And this iPhone bashing.... 2k? 1,400 dollars? huh, I wonder what other phones with less to offer (blackberries, etc) cost. 399+ for just the phone, 120 a month (the plans for the iphone are not different then those of the Blackberries...) Don't bash an Apple product if you are not going to bash the other phones competing with it for the same price or MORE. That isn't fair now is it?

I never advocated buying a Blackberry, so don't try shoving that on me. I personally use a Motorola Tracfone. I pay ~$120 every year, which is like, 300 minutes or so, I use it although not very often, if I need to call someone, I just use my home phone, and I've never had a problem. I paid $25 for my phone at Wal-Mart, by the way. I really have never been away from home and thought "Damn, I'd love to be browsing the Web right now." I just get a phone that suits my needs. I never said Blackberry was the way to go, like you insinuated about me.

Lord Sojar · Jul 20, 2008, 04:33 AM // 04:33

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

I never advocated buying a Blackberry, so don't try shoving that on me. I personally use a Motorola Tracfone. I pay ~$120 every year, which is like, 300 minutes or so, I use it although not very often, if I need to call someone, I just use my home phone, and I've never had a problem. I paid $25 for my phone at Wal-Mart, by the way. I really have never been away from home and thought "Damn, I'd love to be browsing the Web right now." I just get a phone that suits my needs. I never said Blackberry was the way to go, like you insinuated about me.

So what you are in fact saying, is that people who use their phone for more than just calling people are idiots, and that we waste our money? Well, some of us have the money to waste, so I guess that takes care of that argument. I plan on getting a 3G iPhone, as they are cheap, amazingly fast, and very well engineered. It also doubles as the best MP3 player on the market.

BTW, don't double post, edit your post from now on please.

Oh, and you can expect the PS3 to continue to drop in price. The RSX is getting a die shrink to 55nm, and the Cell is getting a lovely 45nm shrink. That will make them much cheaper, very very quiet, and extremely power efficient. The 360 is just finishing their 65nm cross drops. 45nm Xenos I don't see happening. It isn't profitable for IBM, unlike the Cell which is being used in other devices like the new Toshiba notebooks and the AMD Torrenza platform due out in 2010 (which will feature direct connect to the 35nm Cell CPU via Hypertransport 4.0)

Abedeus · Jul 20, 2008, 09:51 AM // 09:51

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and a Wii.

Lol. Only small children, people with big ego (look, I can play on my TV by shacking with a remote, nice, huh?) and oldies actually play Wii. I don't know why it's so popular - because of the control? Woah... Like we've never had a non-joystick or non-gamepad controls before.

And XBox is worth buying for it's exclusives, or at least games that will not come to PC. Ninja Gaiden 2 (you think DoA HM pre-Ursan was hard? then try beating a boss without using healing items, because you used all before him...) is like the best, the awesomest, the fastest, the HARDEST game I've ever played. Played on my cousin's xbox and I'm at 10th chapter, but I plan to play it at least 6 times when I buy one myself.

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The 360 is a mediocre PC at best.

Hehehe. Made me laugh. 3 processors running 3.2 GHz? MEDIOCRE? God, you earn like 50k a month or what?

Dante the Warlord · Jul 20, 2008, 06:09 PM // 18:09

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Lol. Only small children, people with big ego (look, I can play on my TV by shacking with a remote, nice, huh?) and oldies actually play Wii. I don't know why it's so popular - because of the control? Woah... Like we've never had a non-joystick or non-gamepad controls before.

Are you serious, the Wii is possibly the most innovative and fun console there is. If you visit a college campus i bet you will see a bunch of friends playing around together with the Wii. Its the same reason people like playing Rockband and Guitar Hero, people like doing something else besides button mashing. Its not like using play drums or play guitar haven't ever been implemented on the game system. People just enjoy well done interactive games... DDR, Guitar Hero, Rockband and now the Wii opens the door to a whole set of interactive games.

I may not be an XBOX 360 fan, but im sure a Wii fan.

Kanyatta · Jul 20, 2008, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

So what you are in fact saying, is that people who use their phone for more than just calling people are idiots, and that we waste our money?

No, I said I never use my phone for more than just calling/texting, so I see no point in it for me.

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

You are going to try and tell me about graphics hardware in consoles? Oh...ok...

For your information and benefit, allow me to clear some things up you seem a bit confused on.

1). The Gamecube's IBM Flipper chip was the most powerful of the group, thanks to row caching and extremely low latency interconnects.

2). The Gamecube had superior AA and AF technology, which made its version of RE4 BETTER than the PS2 version. You flipped the equation the wrong way there.

3). The Gamecube had texture overlay ability that was triple that of the PS2, and 6x that of the 360.

4). The Gamecube had a very advanced poly engine that allowed it to do many more passovers (more than both the other consoles combined)

and I hate to burst your bubble, but the XBOX was actually the weakest thanks to its PC like architecture. At least Microsoft learned a few things when they made the 360 (like not using a standardized processor and having a custom designed interconnect system, similar to what the PS2 and Gamecube had FROM THE BEGINNING.)

I respect your extensive knowledge of Wikipedia, but it doesn't take oodles of technical jargon to look at a game being played in a Gamecube, then look at the same game on a PS2 and tell the PS2 looks better.

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Originally Posted by Dante The Warlord

Are you serious, the Wii is possibly the most innovative and fun console there is. If you visit a college campus i bet you will see a bunch of friends playing around together with the Wii. Its the same reason people like playing Rockband and Guitar Hero, people like doing something else besides button mashing. Its not like using play drums or play guitar haven't ever been implemented on the game system. People just enjoy well done interactive games... DDR, Guitar Hero, Rockband and now the Wii opens the door to a whole set of interactive games.

The Wii may be the most innovative and fun console, but look at it's library of games. Even the PS3's library puts that to shame. I've had a Wii since about 3 months after it came out, and I currently have 6 games, 2 of them being Guitar Hero games, and Super Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, SSBB, and Wii Sports (which came with the console). I've had my 360 for about 6 months and I have twice as many games for it. Nintendo has lost virtually all 3rd party support. How many good 3rd party games are there for the Wii? No More Heroes, which was kind of average... and... that's all that comes to mind.

Neo Nugget · Jul 20, 2008, 08:16 PM // 20:16

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

No, I said I never use my phone for more than just calling/texting, so I see no point in it for me.

I respect your extensive knowledge of Wikipedia, but it doesn't take oodles of technical jargon to look at a game being played in a Gamecube, then look at the same game on a PS2 and tell the PS2 looks better.

The Wii may be the most innovative and fun console, but look at it's library of games. Even the PS3's library puts that to shame. I've had a Wii since about 3 months after it came out, and I currently have 6 games, 2 of them being Guitar Hero games, and Super Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, SSBB, and Wii Sports (which came with the console). I've had my 360 for about 6 months and I have twice as many games for it. Nintendo has lost virtually all 3rd party support. How many good 3rd party games are there for the Wii? No More Heroes, which was kind of average... and... that's all that comes to mind.

Yep, those are about the wii games i have.(except GH, i have it on 360)

Besides animal crossing, i don't see any good games coming out at all for the wii right now.

Diddy bow · Jul 20, 2008, 08:21 PM // 20:21

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

No, I think what I have been trying to say is that if you have a decent PC, why bother with the 360? You have a 360 in front of you and you are typing on guru with it. The 360 is a mediocre PC at best. The PS3 is something you can't have with a PC. So in other words, buy a decent PC, a PS3, and a Wii.

Done.

Yea, if you have a top end PC and the 360 exclusives dont intrest you fiar enough.

But getting a top end PC costs more than a 360 (over here anyway...). And you need to know quite a bit about computers to buy all the right stuff and set it up correctly for a top end game. That so you can play it on a moniter rather than a HDTV, and miss out on a few console exclusives (a few of my favs arn't on the PC). And lots of people prefer a controller to keyboard/mouse gaming, I prefer a controller for First person shooters and i guess there are a lot out there who fell the same, and i wouldnt like to try PES or somthing with a mouse, but i guess you can get a pc controller for that.

All in all its the games beats a PS3 for me and the being able to play it on a tv/ the technical stuff, and plug and playability(kinda like the old pc/mac argument i suppose...) that beats a gamers PC.

Lord Sojar · Jul 20, 2008, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

I respect your extensive knowledge of Wikipedia, but it doesn't take oodles of technical jargon to look at a game being played in a Gamecube, then look at the same game on a PS2 and tell the PS2 looks better.

I say you start respecting my education and expertise in this area, or you will make yourself a fool.

The Gamecube RE4 version is known to be the graphically superior version of the game. It actually had AA and AF. Your argument is based on your opinion, mine is based on fact. Your opinions means shit on a forum or in real life. Learn that now, will save you time later.

Diddy, did I miss something... what 360 "exclusives" were actually truly exclusive? I mean, there are a few that are 360 exclusive, but most of those were terrible. The really popular games for the 360 come out on PC as well (Gears of War, Halo, Bioshock, etc)

Winterclaw · Jul 20, 2008, 10:24 PM // 22:24

Wasn't there that one with all the hotties?

And I think I saw a few jRPGs that were 360 only like blue dragon.

Diddy bow · Jul 20, 2008, 11:01 PM // 23:01

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Diddy, did I miss something... what 360 "exclusives" were actually truly exclusive? I mean, there are a few that are 360 exclusive, but most of those were terrible. The really popular games for the 360 come out on PC as well (Gears of War, Halo, Bioshock, etc)

True all the "big" ones are but i like saints row

better than (hides) GTA 4 acctually but thats another debate ^^.

Dante the Warlord · Jul 21, 2008, 02:32 AM // 02:32

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

The Wii may be the most innovative and fun console, but look at it's library of games. Even the PS3's library puts that to shame. I've had a Wii since about 3 months after it came out, and I currently have 6 games, 2 of them being Guitar Hero games, and Super Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, SSBB, and Wii Sports (which came with the console). I've had my 360 for about 6 months and I have twice as many games for it. Nintendo has lost virtually all 3rd party support. How many good 3rd party games are there for the Wii? No More Heroes, which was kind of average... and... that's all that comes to mind.

Its more quality then quantity... pretty much I feel that Wii sports, creating Miis, and the online download of the old titles form Nintendo are the highlights of the system. The Wii is a lot more family oriented and its kinda like Rockband where you need to have a few people over to play and get 100% of the potential.

360 definitely has a myriad of great games, SC 4 thats coming out will be great esp playing with Yoda.

On a very unrelated note, im thinking of actually buying Rockband, for the PS2. Its the cheapest and runs for $99 at best buy... I might dust off the PS2 just for the game... any opinions

Kanyatta · Jul 21, 2008, 03:32 AM // 03:32

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Diddy, did I miss something... what 360 "exclusives" were actually truly exclusive? I mean, there are a few that are 360 exclusive, but most of those were terrible. The really popular games for the 360 come out on PC as well (Gears of War, Halo, Bioshock, etc)

There's a reason the 360 versions of most of these games are superior. Gears may be superior on PC, but again, a PC that can outperform a 360 is going to cost you more than $300. Halo on the PC has always been regarded as a joke by the gaming community. The lack of dedicated servers online is the big killer, it also plays weird on mouse+keyboard compared to 360. I actually own Halo 3 on 360 and I really don't like it. It reminds me of Resistance, basically a generic mediocre sci-fi shooter. It does everything Unreal Tournament does, except a little less fun. I own Bioshock on PC, personally, and I can run it around Medium specs with no lag. It appears to be about the same compared to the 360 version. The killer for Bioshock on PC is that it originally only allowed 2 installs per disc. 2K realized they screwed up and patched it so it allowed 5, but even so... Pirate paranoia ruins a lot of PC games, as I've said before.

Yoshikuni Mahsu · Jul 21, 2008, 03:37 AM // 03:37

SONY FANBOY RRRRAAAAAAAGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I bought the ps2, loved it to death. Xbox came out, waited a month or so and couldnt stop from picking it up. I played both of those console's to DEATH. When 3 and 360 rolled around I got the 360 first simply because it was cheap, planning to wait a bit to see if that extra 300 bucks was apparent in the console, and see what games it got.

Dont have a ps3 to date, I guess that says alot. As much as I loved the ps2 it is indeed painful to not have a ps3, but not nearly as painful as it would be to drop 500 bucks for God of War III and... uh... what else?

And the "better pc version of xbox games" is COMPLETLY irrelevant here, thats like saying "burger king is better than McDonalds because wendys makes better shakes than micky d's". As much as I hate to use the term "360 vs ps3", you're basically making it from "360 vs ps3" into "360 vs ps3 and PC"
GANK MUCH AMIRITE?

Ġ ō Đ¹ · Jul 22, 2008, 08:08 PM // 20:08

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

It is not happening, it is simply some stupid ass rumor.

nothing against you Rahja but if you go and check wikipedia it actually states that the next final fantasy is coming out on the xbox 360 now im an avid xbox fan but i never got into FF so you ps3 fans can keep it if you want it